
THIS PHOTO IS A VIEW OF “THE PROPHET’S MOSQUE” IN MEDINA, SAUDI ARABIA. IT IS IN THE ORIGINAL SITE AND RETAINS THE ORIGINAL WOODEN STRUCTURE, BUILT BY THE ORIGINAL COMPANIONS/COMMUNITY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD, WHICH REMAINS THE HEART OF IT’S EXPANDED CROWNING GLORY. A FINAL ACHEIVEMENT AND CO-CONTRIBUTION OF THE PROTECTIVE BELIEVERS, OF THE LAST 1431 YEARS, AND BY KING FAHD OF SAUDI ARABIA. MAY THE SHINING GLORY OF OUR BELOVED PROPHET, THE PROTECTIVE BELIEVERS AND OF KING FAHD SHINE AS A REFLECTION OF THE LOVE AND ETERNAL LIGHT OF OUR FAITH, AS DEPICTED IN SURAH AL-NUR. – ALHAMDALLAH – DAWN NARET’/SISTER FJR
THE FOLLOWING ARE EXCERPTS OF OPINION ON FACEBOOK.COM AUG 16-18 AS RESPONSE TO POLITICAL “A MOSQUE ON GROUND ZERO ?” CARTOON:
Al W. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mlxMndnlzw
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William A. F. I don’t think the mosque is being built ON the site. It’s a few blocks FROM the site.
(Wasn’t the World Trade Center towers site and most of the surrounding property owned by the Port Authority?)
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Bob F D.
Thanks, Al. My point exactly.
I will however, disagree with the framing of the “protesters” by the BBC as minority or radicals. This is the true path of Islam as presented in the Koran.
It’s like “kind of” being an pedophile… not lik…ely, you either are one or are not. Andrew is dead wrong. There are no moderates, they either are Islamic or they are not…. You are either a Christian or are not. You are either Jewish or are not. You are either an … etc. or are not.See More
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Bob F D.As for Obama. Respect and support the office, not the man. You salute the rank not the man. While I don’t care much for the man, I will respect and defend the office of the presidency and what it stands for. I will also exercise my vote….
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Scott D. T.
If Americans redefine the neighborhood around Ground Zero in response to the attacks, we would effectively permit al-Qaeda to reshape the culture of a key American space. After all that we have suffered, why should we give al-Qaeda that pri…vilege?
Literally no one is suggesting that the Cordoba House be built “at,” “over,” or “on” Ground Zero — it’s proposed location is a couple of blocks away.The Cordoba House would be built blocks from Ground Zero, in the former home of a Burlington Coat Factory, which, with all due respect to the clothing store, isn’t exactly hallowed ground. Indeed, within a two-block radius of Ground Zero, there areall kinds of establishments — restaurants, coffee shops, office buildings, churches, strip-clubs, etc. — and Feisal Abdul Rauf wants his proposed community center to be among them. What does Ground Zero’s sacred qualities have to do with this? Nothing at all, which is why this debate is so ridiculous.Right now there are 2 mosque within 4 blocks of Ground Zero, and there has never been an issue with them. Feisal said he is open to relocating the mosque but as of right now there really isn’t any available space in that general area. Their church has a congregation that supports them and lives or works in that general area, they are growing and they need more space. I have no issue or qualms with them building in this area, this mosque to fit the needs of their congregation. Now I know a lot of people want them to move but with this is there are a couple of problems that you have to consider about the location of this mosque. First and foremost they aren’t trying to build a mosque in the middle of Kansas or even downtown Atlanta for that matter. They are trying to build a mosque in literally some of the most expensive real estate in the world where space is at an absolute premium
I think that it is shameful that in our country that was founded on the principle of religious freedom that we are trying to somehow place blame and shame on a race of people and a religion simply because of the actions of less than 100 nutjobs. Imagine had we started banning Christian churches in the 1950′s and 60′s because of the actions of the Christian based KKK.
I am sorry, It is simply shameful that this congregation is unable to move to a larger space simply because certain American are somehow associating them with the hijackers.
Let me ask you a question, the second largest act of domestic terrorism committed on American soil was committed by a man who said that his religion and his church were the part of the primary reason as to why he felt compelled to act. Since you guys find mosque near ground zero so offensive should we also ban the Catholic church from building anything near the site of the Oklahoma City bombing?See More
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Bob F. D. @ Scott… A well though out and presented argument. Good Job! I do disagree with most of it, but a proper argument nun the less. Respect… BfD
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Bob N. @Andrew, you need to doo some research on what this country was founded on. It wasn’t christianity one bit. As a matter of fact …. Man, do your research before you make yourself look like a Bushite…..
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Allen B.
There is nothing on the sign in the cartoon that says “Christian and Jewish Victims of 911.” If the proposed mosque had a white Imam, I imagine he would be portrayed as such. The cartoon is about sensitivity apparently being a one way str…eet. MANY of the people who lost someone on 9-11 are against this, and the president is using this for political gain. It’s disgusting.
While it is true America was founded on Christian values, the Code of Law of the United States has references throughout to which portions of the law were referenced from scripture, there is an established Islamic law: Shia Law, which the Imam of the proposed Ground Zero mosque supports.
Reshaping the space around ground zero, as someone framed it, is no more akin to permitting Al-Qaeda to reshape American Culture than the battlefield memorial at Shiloh, Tennessee reshaped the the North or South, or the National Museum at Pearl Harbor permitted Japan to reshape American culture. The fact is, 9-11 DID reshape American Culture, and the world as we know it.
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Allen B. If we are to be sensitive, why are we not to be sensitive to everyone?
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Bob N.
What you call political gain Allen, others call success against bigotry, control and manipulation. When this is all said a done. There will be some Americans amongst that group of terrorist. They might be Jewish,Muslim or Christian, Zionist… or Neo-Con…
And Allen when you guys keep telling yourself that lie long enough you will always be wrong. America was not founded on Christianity…Do you research….See More
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Allen B.
I have done my research. The facts I mentioned came from an attorney
friend of mine who studied the code of law. Call it a lie all you want, it doesn’t make it so. Also, proof reading first might help you make your points a little more i…mpressively.
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Andrew W. Bob…my point exactly. Doesn’t mean there aren’t those who aren’t claiming exactly that. Actually, I commend Scott on his post. I agree with everything he posted.
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Allen B. naturally.
In a message dated 8/17/2010 3:02:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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Bob F. D. Andrew….Then make a logical argument. Don’t just Bla, bla, bla! Or disregard the main points of someones argument by “nit-picking.”
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Andrew W. Kiss my ass, Bob.
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Bob F. D. Or, name call…or Troll…or Flame….or use Vulgarity. It shows your true colors…
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Allen B. OK…at this point, the discussion has gone off the rails. Good luck everyone. I’m off…(but then who hasn’t suspected that all along?)
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Bob F. D. Yep, so much for intelligent discourse…. END OF LINE…
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Bob N. lol……George Carlin comes to mind right now??? 
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Allen B. um… A place for my stuff? 
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Len B. Or have the US Govt declare the area a national park and take jurisdiction. Then Obama can figure out what is wise instead of simply what is legal.
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Tommy W. Wow, Al. You really know how to get the conversation going.
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Teresa B. Al….. you always speak your mind….. thank God!
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Bob N. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=831&id=100000210305363&ref=mf
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Al W.
This is not about religious freedom. You, I and all of Islam are free to worship in this country as you wish. There are over 100 mosques in NYC, no problems with a single one of ‘em. But you should also know there is no one living near the …proposed site of this new one, the Cordoba House. So it’s not being built for the convenience of anyone. It’s in the financial district, 2 blocks from the WTC site, in a building that was rendered unsafe as a result of debris from one of the airplanes in the 9/11 attack that crashed through, compromising the structural integrity of the building, and just a couple of hundred feet from where yet more human remains from the 9/11 attack were found and identified in June of this year.
This is not about the Constitution, which by the way does not say “freedom of religion.” It says, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” No one is talking about creating a law, or using any existing law or ordinance to prevent your peace-loving Muslims from doing whatever it is they do. No one has yet come forward with any proposed statute I’m aware of that would legally prevent them from building this temple, or trophy, or exercising their right to worship.
You want to talk about intolerance, Scott? I’ll hang with ya. Intolerance isn’t limited to us flag-waving rednecks you’re so ashamed of, my friend. Intolerance is a big part of the faith these poor muslims you whine about choose to follow. Non-Muslims are barred from the cities of Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia because as an infidel, and that’s me and you Scott, our feet are deemed unfit to touch the ground there. That doesn’t mean we simply can’t build a church there, or worship Christ. You get turned around at the gate, pal. That’s Islam, pure and simple. You can visit Saudi Arabia if you really want to, but you’d better not bring your Bible with you.
You want to talk about religious intolerance, Scott? Let me quote you a line or two from the Koran. If you want chapter and verse, this is Sura 9:29. “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the people of the Book [uh, that would be the Jews and Christians, Scott], until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
Jizya, by the way, is a tax imposed under sharia law on non-muslims who live in Islamic territories. These people are on a mission, Scott, and if they have their way then one day your grandchildren will be paying jizya under sharia law.
Yeah, Scott, it’s admirable that you would stand up in defense of these people, and the proposed mosque that clearly there’s no other suitable place in all of New York for, especially in light of the fact these same people wouldn’t piss on you if you burst into flames.
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Bob N. Remember the Spartans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FViLPhmWeLY
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Bob F. D. Wow, I just paraphrased because I did not think he was capable of interpreting passages directly. But you must know him, I don’t know him from Adam (Bible & or Koran), so I dumbed it down. Preach on Brother Al….
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Bob F. D.
DO THIS…. Search Google earth with the page centered on the sight of the WTC. Search first…. Catholic Churches. Interesting, you find many and many close to the site. Then Search…. Synagogues, Interesting, you find many, and many… close to the site (But interestingly not many in New Jersey?). The Search…. Mosques. Interesting, you find none or very few. So Why? For this already done, go to ehowa.com scroll down to yesterdays post and look for the paragraph with all this information and links to the searches.. THEN, YOU DECIDE…..See More
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Scott D. T.
Al, wait a second, Do you honestly think that because other countries don’t allow the free practice of religion that we should do the same here? I could care less how Saudi Arabia treats it people or what it allows or doesn’t allow.
Amer…ica is supposed to be the shining beacon on the hill, we are supposed to set the example for the rest of the world to follow and we are supposed to respect the rights off all of our people. That is what makes our country great.
As for your comment about Freedom of Religion not being in the constitution what exactly do you thing that “prohibiting the free exercise thereof” means? Do you honestly feel that our constitution doesn’t provide for freedom of Religion? Seriously?
Now as for you cherry picking comments from the koran to justify how evil and intolerant muslim are, save it. I can cherry pick the same type of comments from every single religion know to man and paint that religion as evil if I wanted to also.
Your comments clearly show that you have a preconceived notion that all of the people who follow this religion are in some way evil and for that I feel extremely sad for you.
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Bob F. D.
Man oh man, Scott is Flaming, and can’t understand what he reads! Al, said no such thing. Stop looking for a fight, if you walk around with a battery on you shoulder, you wont have to wait for someone to knock it off, you’ll trip and knoc…k it off yourself. Dude, you’ve got serious issues…and it’s not because your opinion is different from Al’s, it because you can’t see the forest for the trees….or make a coherent argument. It has nothing to do with the fact that I think your dead wrong. Your brain development was damaged somewhere along the way. Did you graduate from grade school? Please, someone back me up on this!See More
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Andrew W. Bob, you’re clearly a bigot, nothing more and nothing less. No such thing as a “moderate” anything? Puh-leeze! So then, by that logic, all muslims are Bin Ladens, all Christians are Timothy McVeights, etc. That’s the same kind of logic as Dubya and his “You’re either with us or you’re with the terrorists!” Actually…neither! But in your parochial little world, that makes sense.
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Bob Dude, Al quoted the First Amendment…. What about it did you not understand… It does not say anything about sep. of church and state. Your interpretation is just that, YOUR interpretation! And your no constitutional scholar…. Laughable, I’m sorry I tried to be civil in this discussion and take the high road. But enough is enough Dude, I rarely make a judgement about basic intelligence on these posts (in fact I have never) But, you sir are a Moron!
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Bob F. D. A Troll, A Flamer, an Inciter, all that is un holy about internet debate…. The reason the Darwin Awards should exist! ArghhhhhhhhH!
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Andrew W.Wow, Bob, you’re calling me a moron? Now that’s hilarious!
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Andrew W. Oh and this…”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” Note the word “free” in there? It’s really a simple word. Even someone of your intelligence should understand that. It’s one syllable!
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Bob F. D.
Andrew, you could not be further from the truth. I live by the Golden Mean. I also believe in The Free Marketplace of Ideas (That’s Milton)…. You sir are the one who is myopic an one one sided…
Look up Occam’s razor, and you might h…ave a clue about how and why I think on this issue….
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Bob F. D Free? Nothing is Free Andrew. Why even your participation in this debate cost you something (Internet access, your computer, the money your parents wasted on your education). I don’t think you understand what Free truly is! I just can’t waste any more time on you or Scott, it’s like having a conversation with a sofa. So go ahead and get the last word with me, it’s the only victory you’ll have in this discussion
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Andrew W.
Bob, as far as I can tell, you’re one of those internet posters who thinks that if he pontificates in as dismissive and arrogant manner as possible, then all will bow before their “wisdom.” And I am more than passingly familiar with Occam’s… Razor. Which, frankly, has no bearing here. Bottom line, that cartoon is little more than a condemnation of the neo-con, anti-black, anti-muslim, anti-everybody-other-than-us, either intentional or not. I find your brand of intellectual dishonesty and veiled bigotry infuriating. At least the white-clad KKK member is honest about being racist. See More
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Bob F. D. You win Andrew…
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Scott D. T.
Bob, just fyi I have my masters in Political science and I have written extensively on the Constitution, but that really isn’t relevant. I wasn’t trolling, flaming or looking for a fight, I was simply responding to Al’s retort to my commen…ts about this issue. I am sorry if you found anything in my response offensive, that was not my intent or my goal.
Now, If you found any of my points incoherent I will gladly discuss those with you if you like.See More
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Bob F. D. You win Scott…
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Brett H. I wish Obama had gone fishing in Alaska on vacation and taken Pelosi and Reid wiff him!
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Brett H. This is a zoning and common sense issue, they can practice their religion just not here. Parts of the aircraft used in the twin towers went through the roof of the old Burlington building they are wanting to use.
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Scott D. T. so Brett, your point is that all Muslims are responsible for the actions of this group of less than a thousand or so nut jobs who happen to practice their religion also?
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Scott T.
The one thing I take issue with the cartoon is that it gives the impression that Obama endorses the mosque being there, which he didn’t.He endorsed their right to be there. It’s just another example the objective, pure journalism is dying. …It seems the goal of conservative talk people, large liberal newspapers and online people on both sides not to feed you the truth, but to misrepresent the facts to push an agenda.
For the record, I find building a mosque within two blocks of Ground Zero in poor taste. I have a disdain for burning the American flag. But both are protected by the Constitution.See More
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Al W.
Well, to be accurate, the radical Islamists account for about 1% of all Muslims, or about 8 million people.
My point is the Constitution DOES protect this, the building of the Ground Zero Mosque. That cannot be denied, despite the fact it an…gers the majority of all Americans and is generally considered a slap in the face of real peace loving people here. It’s nothing less than a provacation, a trophy to celebrate the slaughter of almost 3,000 innocents. The state of NY has even offered them free land to move the damned thing, but no. Hamas, the terror organization, insists it “must” be built at Ground Zero.
The religion of peace. Indeed.See More
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Al W. I think you’re mistaken, Scott. Obama did come out in support of that mosque being built where they plan. The next day he said he didn’t address the wisdom of the decision.
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Tracy S. Bob, you 2 timed me and called someone else the “Sofa”. I’ll never feel the same.
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Scott D. T.
Al, where exactly did you come up with the number that radical islam is 1% of muslims. The largest estimate I have ever seen of Al Queda is that they where about 1,000 people in total. The last estimate I heard about them was from Gates a… few months ago who estimated that they were less than 100 members left.
That is a far cry from 8 million, but lets just say that their are 8 million radicals out there, the people who are building this mosque are in no way associated with them nor do they share those same values of hatred towards us. To condemn an entire race and religion simply because of this group a nut jobs is simply not American nor is it a Christian value. And for the record Hamas has nothing to do with this mosque in any shape form or fashion. I am not sure where they comment has come from. Also, the State of New York is working with them to find an alternative location but nothing suitable has been found yet and no they haven’t offered the free land to move. There again I am not sure where that came from either.
Also, while this cartoon does include Obama, I was responding simply to some of the comments on this thread, I haven’t said a word about Obama nor do I even care what he as said or what his feelings are about this issue. I have simply been stating what my feelings on this issue are.See More
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Scott D. T.
Al, I am going to turn your argument around just a tiny bit.
Do you watch Fox News? Do you support Fox News?
The reason I ask is because News Corp.’s second-largest shareholder, after the Murdoch family, is Prince Alwaleed bin Talal the… nephew of Saudi Arabian King Abdullah, and one of the world’s richest men. He is actually close to owning the majority share in News Corp and will if the Murdoch’s sell just 2% of their holdings.
Saudi Arabia, which is ruled by Alwaleed’s uncle King Abdullah, is, of course, an authoritarian petro-monarchy that actually is governed by Sharia law and is known as one of the top global sponsors of terrorism. A spokesperson for the Saudi embassy in Washington says that while Alwaleed is part of the royal family, he isn’t a member of the government, but rather a private citizen.
So your Fox News is owned by a Wahhabist Saudi prince and that same News Corp just donated a million dollars to the Republican party.
At the very least, this whole thing is very insensitive, don’t you think? After all, some people really hate Muslims and it’s very unpleasant for them to have to watch news networks that are owned by them and be asked vote for a Party that’s funded by them. See More
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Aunt Dawn THIS IS BEAUTIFUL DISCOURSE. WONDERFUL VARYINGS OF OPINION, VOICED WITHOUT INSULT OR PROFANITY. I AM READING AND KNAWING ON IT ALL, BEFORE I ENTER MY 2 CENTS WORTH. I SEE MANY
VERY CORRECT STATEMENTS. WHILE I CONTINUE TO READ…..LET ME CLARIFY ONE THING. (CONTINUED)
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Aunt Dawn
OF THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT CORRECT, I THINK THEY ARE JUST A RESULT OF TOO VAGUE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE QURAN STATES, IN TRUTH, AS OPPOSED TO RHETORIC, FALSE TEACHING OR FALSE INTERPRETATION.
THE QURAN “IS” A BOOK ON GOVERNMENT. THIS IS A PRIDE AND NOT A SECRET. IT IS A DIVINE GUIDANCE, FROM THE CREATOR, ON HOW TO ORGANIZE OUR PERSONAL LIVES AND OUR COMMUNITIES IN A SYSTEM AND PRACTICE OF HONOR AND OBEDIENCE TO THE LAWS OF THE CREATOR.
IT IS A DIVINE GUIDANCE ON HOW TO CREATE “CIVIL” , “CIVILIZATIONS”. NEIGHBORHOODS AND COUNTRIES LIVING IN PEACE.
ALL ACTIVITY BEGINS IN YOUR OWN HOME, WITH ONE PERSON, YOU, BEING THE INOVATOR OF THE ACTION. IF THAT ACTION IS GOOD….THE RESPONSE FROM THE RECIEVER, USUALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IS GOOD. AND VIS A VIS.
NO ACTION OF ANY GOVERNMENT CAN EXIST, WITHOUT GIVING CONSIDERATION TO THE NEEDS AND PRACTICES OF THE INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN. NO CITIZEN IS RULED BY ANY FREE AND DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT.
THE CITIZEN “IS” THE GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE IT IS ONLY THE NEEDS AND PRACTICES OF THE FREE, DEMOCRATIC CITIZEN, THAT DETERMINE THE REQUIREMENT OF THE FREE, DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT POLICIES.
IN ISLAM…..FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY WERE BORN AND DELIVERED, TO THE BELIEVERS, FROM THE CREATOR. THE RELIGION AND THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT BE SEPARATED, BECAUSE THE BELIEVER IS PRACTICING INDIVIDUAL OBEDIENCE TO THE LAWS, THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS AN EXTENTION OF AND HAS PURPOSE ONLY BECAUSE OF THE RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THE FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY, TO PERMIT THE INDIVIDUAL TO OBEY AND PRACTICE THE LAWS OF THE CREATOR.
THE OBEDIENCE, OF THE BELIEVER, IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AND PURPOSE OF THE SPECIES, THROUGH FREEDOM OF CHOICE, THAT WAS GIFTED TO ADAM AND EVE. THIS FREEDOM OF CHOICE, IS THE FOUNDATION OF DEMOCRACY. I STATED MY THEORY THAT THE QURAN WAS GIVEN AS A THIRD COVENANT. IT IS FOR THESE REASONS, THAT I HAVE FORMED THE OPINION.
BEFORE THE QURAN, THERE WAS LITTLE FREEDOM OF CHOICE IN THE RELIGION OF THE JEWS OR CHRISTIANS. THERE WERE MANY “INQUISIONS” AND PUNISHMENTS DELIVERED FOR ATTEMPTED FREEDOMS OF CHOICE. MANY WARS, AGGRESSED IN ERROR, FOR POWER AND CONTROL.
THE QURAN, GIVING THE INDIV. FREEDOMS IN INDIV. LIFE PRACTICES, FOR EXAMPLE, THE RIGHT OF A FEMALE TO REFUSE MARRIAGE. WAS A BIG STEP INTO FREEDOM OF CHOICE. THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE DIVORCE, ALSO THE SAME. THE RIGHT TO SELF-DEFEND, AN INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM OF SELF-PROTECTION, WHERE THE GOVERNMENT WAS FAILING TO DO SO. THE INDIVIDUAL CAN FUNCTION WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT, BUT THE GOV. CANNOT EXIST OR FUNCTION, WITHOUT THE INDIV. BECAUSE, WITHOUT THE INDIV. THERE IS NO ONE TO GOVERN.
THE QURAN IS MOSTLY CALLED, “THE BOOK OF LIFE”. THIS IS BECAUSE IT CONTAINS EVERY GUIDANCE REQUIRED TO HAVE ADVISE ON ANYTHING THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY PONDER AN ACTION ON.
ALL IS ARRANGED ON A PATH OF OBEDIENCE AND RIGHTEOUSNESS, IN THE “CENTER”, OF THAT PATH.
TO STRAY TOO FAR TO THE LEFT IS DISCOURAGED AND TO STRAY TOO FAR TO THE RIGHT IS DISCOURAGED. THEREFORE, EXTREMEISM OF THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT IS IN VIOLATION OF THE “MIDDLE PATH”, WHICH IS THE SAFE GROUND THAT DOES NOT “EXCEED THE LIMITS”.
WE HAVE MILLIONS ATTEMPTING TO FOLLOW THE QURAN CORRECTLY……BUT WE, THE SAME AS OUR JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN BROTHERS IN GOD, STRAY A BIT AND EVEN TRY TO RE-WRITE OR RE-INTERPERET THE MEANINGS, TO BETTER SUIT OUR DESIRES.
THIS IS THE WEAK POINT OF ALL 3 OF OUR RELIGIONS OF THE CREATOR. BUT THE QURAN KNEW THIS WOULD OCCUR AND EVEN GUIDED US AS TO HOW TO HANDLE IT…….”WHO ARE YOU TO FORBID, WHAT ALLAH DOES NOT FORBID ? AND WHO ARE YOU, TO PERMIT WHAT ALLAH DOES NOT PERMIT?”. THE LAWS CANNOT BE CHANGED OR MIS-INTERPERETED, WITHOUT VIOLATING THE QURAN. I HAVE OBTAINED A FEW ACTUAL AND AUTHENTIC PASSAGES, FROM QURAN, THAT SPEAK TO GOVERNMENT IN OUR LIVES:
THE QURAN: SAUDI VERSION, BY YUSEF ALI
Yusuf Ali WAS THE FIRST SAUDI WHO TRANSLATED QURAN INTO ENGLISH. IT WAS A VAGUE TRANSLATION, BECAUSE THE QURAN IS SO VAST AND DEEP, IN ITS MEANINGS FOR ALL AGES THAT THE GROWTH AND PROGRESSION, OF THE ADVISE, CANNOT BE ACCURATELY INTERPERETED IN ANY LANGUAGE, OTHER THAN ARABIC, WHICH IS THE REASON IT WAS CHOSEN, TO BE GIVEN IN. IT IS THE MOST INTELLIGENT, SPECIFIC LANGUAGE AVAILABLE. I BELIEVE IT IS THE MOTHER OF LANGUAGES AND HAS REMNANTS OF ALL ANCIENT LANGUAGES. IT IS SO SPECIFIC, THAT I TO INTERPERET ONE LINE OF ARABIC, IT WOULD TAKE ONE HUNDRED LINES OF ENGLISH JUST TO GET IT AS SPECIFIC AS THAT ONE ONE EXPRESSED SPECIFICALLY.
007:185* URL Do they see nothing in the government of the heavens and the earth and all that God hath created? (Do they not see) that it may well be that their terms is nigh drawing to an end? In what message after this will they then believe?
010:003* URL Verily your Lord is God, who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority), regulating and governing all things. No intercessor (can plead with Him) except after His leave (hath been obtained). This is God your Lord; Him therefore serve ye: will ye not receive admonition?
018:026* * URL Say: “God knows best how long they stayed: with Him is (the knowledge of) the secrets of the heavens and the earth: how clearly He sees, how finely He hears (everything)! They have no protector other than Him; nor does He share His Command with any person whatsoever.
034:022* URL Say: “Call upon other (gods) whom ye fancy, besides God: They have no power, – not the weight of an atom, – in the heavens or on earth: No (sort of) share have they therein, nor is any of them a helper to God.
049:007* URL And know that among you is God’s Apostle: were he, in many matters, to follow your (wishes), ye would certainly fall into misfortune: But God has endeared the Faith to you, and has made it beautiful in your hearts, and He has made hateful to you Unbelief, wickedness, and rebellion: such indeed are those who walk in righteousness;
WHERE CONTEXT IS IN QUESTION, IT IS GOOD TO BE AWARE THAT MUCH OF THE QURAN CONCERNS ITSELF WITH WARNING MUSLIMS AGAINST MAKING THE SAME MISTAKE THAT THE CHRISTIANS MADE, IN RAISING JESUS TOO HIGH IN ADORATION.
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. THERE IS NO PARTNER TO HIM.
THE PROPHET IS ONLY A MESSENGER OF HIM, NOT HIS SON OR HIS PARTNER.
IN RESEARCHING ISLAM, BEFORE MY “EXPANSION” INTO IT, I VERIFIED THAT “EVERYTIME” SOMEONE CALLED JESUS “THE SON OF GOD”, IT WAS JESUS WHO REBELLED AND REJECTED THE INFERENCE AND CORRECTED THEM SAYING, “I AM THE SON OF MAN ! YOU SAY THIS !”. IN 34 DIF. SCRIPTURES, I FOUND THIS CORRECTION DEMANDED BY JESUS FROM HIS PPL.
MARY IS ALSO “NOT” THE MOTHER OF GOD, BUT THE MOTHER OF JESUS. “MARY, FULL OF GRACE”, WAS RECITED BY THE ANGEL GABRAEL. BUT HE NEVER ADDRESSED HER, NOR DID GOD ADDRESS HER AS MARY, MOTHER OF GOD. THESE CORRECTIONS MUST BE ACCEPTED AND ADOPTED IN THE CHRISTIAN TEACHINGS TO BECOME CORRECT AND ERASE THESE COMMON ERRORS OF RHETORICAL FALSE TEACHING.
ALSO, ISLAM IS NOT A COUNTRY, OR A RELIGION. IT IS A STATE OF MIND. PEACE. THE WORD MEANS PEACE. THE ROOT WORD “SLM” (SLOM OR SLAM) MEANS PEACE. I-SLAM MEANS “HIS PEACE” OR TO HAVE TOTAL COMFORT AND CALM, IN THE CONFIDENCE OF KNOWING THAT YOU ARE RIGHT WITH GOD. YOU ARE OBEDIANT AND HAVE NO REASON TO FEAR THE JUDGEMENT. TO BE ISLAMIC, IS TO BE OBEDIANT OR WITHIN THE LAWS.
WELLLLLLLLLL, I DIDNT THINK I WAS READY TO PUT MY 2 CENTS IN YET, BUT I’LL CONSIDER IT DONE AND GET BACK TO READING THE REST OF YOUR OPINIONS. – DAWN NARET’ (also see update below)
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AUGUST 19, 2010 UPDATE ALSO POSTED IN FACEBOOK.COM/AUNTDAWN:
THIS POSTING WAS IN RESPONSE TO A HIDEOUS PROCLAMATION, THAT HAS MOST MERCIFULLY BEEN REMOVED BY THE AUTHOR, THAT WAS FLYING AN AMERICAN FLAG, AS A SYMBOL OF PROTEST AGAINST THE PROPOSED MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO.
SUCH SENTIMATE IS A DESICRATION, TO THE STANDARD, THAT THE U.S. FLAG REPRESENTS. I LAMBASTED THEM WITH A REALITY CHECK OF THEIR UNAMERICAN PHILOSOPHY OF; PREDJUDICE AND BIGOTRY.
IF PPL WISH TO BUILD A HOUSE OF WORSHIP, NEAR A SITE WHERE MANY OF EVEN “THEIR” PPL PERISHED, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO GROUNDS FOR DEBATE OR DENIAL.
MY COMMENT STATING THIS, DISAPPEARED WITH THE TERRIBLE POSTING, THAT WAS BRAGGING TO BE ENJOINED WITH MANY OTHERS, HOLDING THE SAME REJECTIONIST ATTITUDE.
MY ORIGINAL COMMENT WAS GOOD…..GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE A SANE PERSON OPEN THEIR EYES AND REMOVE THE POSTING. THANKS. I STATED ‘WHERE WOULD YOU BE, IF YOUR GREAT-GRANDFATHER HAD BEEN MET WITH THE SAME NON-WELCOME, WHEN HE ARRIVED HERE?” THERE IS A FABULOUS VIDEO, POSTED BY A GOOD AMERICAN, DOWN BELOW OF RED SKELTON RECITING THE “PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE”, WITH INTERPRETATION OF THE “REAL MEANING” OF THE PLEDGE. I BAWLED, WHEN I WATCHED IT. IT EXPRESSED THE SENTIMENT THAT I HAVE BEEN BANGING OUT, IN CAPITAL LETTERS.
THAT IT IS THE “JOB”, OF ALL AMERICANS, TO “PROTECT AMERICAN FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY”.
ONLY HIPPOCRATES WOULD TOUT AND INSULT THE AMERICAN FLAG, BY HOLDING IT UP, WHILE SPEWING VENOM OF PREJUDICE, DISCRIMINATION AND HATRED AGAINST A GROUP OF WORSHIPPERS OF GOD! IT IS LIKE WATCHING A GROUP OF CONFUSED, HATEFUL, OLD SOVIET-TYPE COMMUNIST DICTATORS REJECT THE PERMISSION TO OWN BIBLES OR BUILD CHURCHES. TO HAVE AMERICANS REJECT THE FREEDOM TO WORSHIP, ANYWHERE A VIABLE, GOD-FEARING PPL CHOOSE, JUST BECAUSE THE AMERICAN INDIANS SLAM-DUNKED GEN. CUSTER, AT THE BATTLE OF BULL RUN, IS PREPOSTEROUS AND CONTRADICTIVE IN TERM. WHAT?………NO CONNECTION ? EXACTLY MY POINT ! WHY IS THIS HIDEOUS ARGUMENT OCCURRING ? THESE PIOUS GOD-FEARING-WORSHIPPERS DIDN’T DO ANYTHING TO ANYBODY. I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT, TO MY DEATH, THE RIGHT OF “EVERYONE” TO BE PROTECTED BY THE AMERICAN FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. THEY SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES ! I DONT WANT TO HEAR ONE MORE ANTI-AMERICAN MORON SPEAKING OF REJECTIONISM, SEPERATISM, ROBOTIC ALL THE SAME OR REJECTEDISM, BANNISHINGISM OR THE PRACTICING OF DISCRIMINATION OF ANY KIND….. ! ! YOU GOT THAT BUBBA ? ! ! DEMOCRACY IS FREEDOM, SEPERATE STATES, DIFFERENT PPL, INDIVIDUAL CHOICES AND MANY VARIED RELIGIONS, BUT IN THE U.S., ALL ARE UNITED AS AS ONE NATION “INDIVISIBLE” WITH “ALL” PROTECTING THEIR RIGHT TO PRACTICE SEPERATE INDIVIDUAL CHOICES. MAY GOD BLESS AND FORGIVE YOU ALL, YOUR TEMPORARY INSANITY. XOXOXO
ADDED : DON’T FORGET……AT BULL RUN, THE AMERICANS WERE THE INDIANS AND CUSTER WAS THE AGGRESSOR, SEIZING THEIR LANDS. WE REALLY HAVEN’T EVOLVED TOO FAR HAVE WE? THESE ACTIONS SHAME ME.
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